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Post by Eastwood on Sept 2, 2010 13:36:31 GMT -6
From these boards from March of 2009: "...On the other point... At Flatrocks the partners must share the Ace fund winnings. This point has been discussed and cussed many times on these boards, unfortunately the boards were wiped clean and these discussions have been lost to ravages of electrons..." Link is at: scodg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=randomdrawdoubles&action=display&thread=46Someone indicated to me recently that an ace fund might not've been payed out to the partner in a recent round of dubs, I'll try and get that straightened out, but during the meantime everyone should know that for quite a while, it's been a rule at the wed. and sun. dubs that the ace fund is split w/the partner. Since the players are now more experienced, and the town has had a course for over 5 years, maybe some of those rules can or should be revisited ($5 instead of $3, no seeds, keep ace fund for one player, no freebies for novice women, etc). Anyhow, just FYI for y'all.
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Post by baf on Sept 5, 2010 13:11:31 GMT -6
How long is "quite a while"? I've been partnered with an ace and didn't see sh*t. I was told it's more of a courtesy thing. I didn't piss and moan about it. I have split both that I've hit during dubs but never heard it was a "rule".
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Post by spud on Sept 5, 2010 18:10:17 GMT -6
"Quite a while" (in this case) is about 5 years or as long as Wednesday doubles have been running.
I don't believe it was written in stone or even on paper for that matter. I do believe that whenever an ace was hit, that "unwritten" rule was brought up by everyone. We shared, that's what "partners" do.
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Post by Eastwood on Sept 6, 2010 8:16:35 GMT -6
It actually was written on paper, it may be on the bulletin board at the park, but not sure about that. What the TD should prolly do, if the club still likes that rule, is hand out half to each playa. But yeah, it's been the rule for years, I recall telling them when I found out what the deal was that it should be written down, that it might not be apparent to some. That was back in '05.
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Post by baf on Sept 6, 2010 11:40:45 GMT -6
So if it's been on paper since 05, I can start whining and get paid for the money I never saw? That was in 08. Hell, I should get interest as well.
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Post by Eastwood on Sept 6, 2010 12:17:23 GMT -6
Let me know who it was with when you see me next. Was up at the course today, it's posted on the board and it looks like it's been there a while-
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Post by Eastwood on Sept 6, 2010 12:29:35 GMT -6
BTW, every participant is responsible for knowing the rules, esp. when they're posted on the board. I'll make an announcement next dubs that anyone who's been in a twosome that's aced and not cashed to make it right. I'll also make everyone aware the rules are outlined on the park board. And again, maybe we should revisit the rules, I'm OK w/the ace not being split too, but that's not a solo decision.
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Post by heymatt on Sept 6, 2010 14:51:35 GMT -6
The theory of splitting the Ace fund between partners comes from the idea of team play. For example, if the first player makes a great shot, then the partner can throw for an Ace, and still have a reasonable putt, in this regard both players contributed to the Ace.
Sharing the fund promotes the sport.
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Post by heymatt on Sept 6, 2010 20:39:35 GMT -6
And another thing. I think the CTP buck should become mandatory on Wednesday doubles rounds next year. This money goes to the course maintenance. It is so little to ask of the players at Flatrocks.
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Post by spud on Sept 7, 2010 6:31:29 GMT -6
What maintenance would that be?
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Post by heymatt on Sept 7, 2010 14:14:10 GMT -6
Last week, the club donated $800 to the Lancaster Parks Department to pay for a repair to the mowing machine that the the parks use when they mow at Flatrocks.
Next year if all goes well we are going to get new baskets. It maybe that the club will kick in $2000 toward the baskets so that we can have Mach 3 DGA baskets instead of Chainstar. The city is trying to work us into their budget, but they have committed to a couple large projects next year.
In holes two through five we will be working on erosion control. We hope that the parks will help with some of the new trees that we want. But there still will be a need for some new understory plants in the diamond shaped planting boxes that I am designing to hold the soil.
I will donate the 4x4 for the boxes. It is my suggestion that the club buy some plants, Blueberries for example that will grow in the erosion control boxes. I suggest berries in the hope that people will be kinder to the plants inside the boxes if the get to eat the berries.
The club did buy the gravel, rubber padding, and parts and pieces for the t-pads. The money will be used for maintenance.
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Post by ZF on Sept 7, 2010 14:42:14 GMT -6
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!! Oh wait a minute your talking about me.... nevermind! My bad on the whole sharing the ace fund thing, If my partner would have just talked to me about the "rule"(instead of every other person) I could have been shown the rule and that would be that! I guess thats how it goes some rules apply to some people some times. I dont mind playing in the doubles but as soon as CTPs become mando for "course improvements" is probly when I stop playing. I was thinkin the $ went to buy prizes to be won by the person CTP??? So that will be $1 for payout $2 for club and $1 for ace fund? Shouldnt you have enough money to buy new baskets by now(with or without the parks and why do we have to fix a park mower if Keller-Kern is a park isnt the city supposed to fix their own mower?? Just puttin it out there since every body seems to be chiming in on lil ol me!!!! Back to you guys.........................
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Post by Hunt on Sept 7, 2010 16:35:00 GMT -6
Ace funds at Flatrocks doubles has always been a mandatory split since doubles started in 2005. When it comes to the rules being posted I can't remember when it has not been on the bulletin board. The ace fund splitting situation will be figured out and squared up I am sure.
Doubles payout: $2 payout $1 ace fund $1 ctp. And yes ctp goes to club for course maintenance. The mower $$$ was a no brainer. The gentleman that mows the course fought for mowing Flatrocks once a week instead of once every two weeks. He approached me about the mower and how he had been driving it since 1988 when Lancaster bought it new.
Course maintenance has included but not limited to: Inner chains on current baskets Multiple repairs on current baskets Rubber tee pads(gutter nails,rubber,gravel,and wood) Elevated tees #8 and #10 If I forgot something please help out.
To come: Additional sleeves for alternative basket placements The BASKETS FUTURE courses
And don't forget LABOR is FREE!!!!!¡¡¡¡
Many Thanks to those who helped make OUR course possible: First off and most important : LANCASTER PARKS AND RECREATION (without = no course) Chuck Custer (course designer,multiple free course work hours and main influence on course getting in the ground,rubber tee pad Guy....could go on forever thanks Chuck! Ohh and tournament director (TD)) Boden (multiple free labor hours & TD) Hunt (multiple free labor hours & TD) Eric Winegardner (multiple free labor hours & TD) Jason "Detroit" Duchson (multiple free labor hours,TD, & founder of the LDGA) Troy "Floyd" Fogle (multiple free labor hours & TD) Matt Young (multiple free labor hours &TD) Robert Russell (multiple free labor hours & TD) Ken MCcray (multiple free labor hours & TD) Neil Pancoast (multiple free labor hours & TD) Jeff Boyer (multiple free labor hours & TD) Brian Morabito (multiple free labor hours & TD)
Also many thanks to additional volunteers: Jason Bode Rich Rager Cody Wendell Lidya Biter Josh "Quaker" Biter Talmadge Willacker Fatty Derrick Martin Mike Ladroga
My apologies to any of you that I forgot plus my head is beginning swell from all the appreciation!
Ohh Spud and Jim many thanks and thanks and thanks...........
Thank you world for being here and letting life and disc'n exist.
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Post by ZF on Sept 7, 2010 18:17:12 GMT -6
All that really needs to be done is pay both the people. I agree I should give Pat half (and I will) but he should have pointed out the rule TO ME instead of every person except me. Honest mistake to think that it was a choice to split the fund, partly because my brother was not shared with and nobody said anything cus he didnt whine to everyone about it. Nbody in my group or team has ever hit an ace so thats what I had to go on.I really dont look at the board ever, and that is my fault for not knowing the rules. I would like to just add that he was in my group the following week and didnt ask me or say sh*t about the rule but thanks for building a thread in my honor now all you have to do is call my brothers partner out cus Pat will get his $. I wasnt trying to knock all the people that have helped and it is great you guys do it for free just wondering why you have to pay the parks department to mow a park? Also my bad for not knowing where the fees went ($2 payout and $1 ace fund $1CTP for course maintenance) got it! All is good so you can get back to attackin chains instead of me for something that once again could have been settled by talking to me instead of everybody else.
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Post by baf on Sept 7, 2010 19:43:22 GMT -6
I was told the mower the park dept uses for the course took a nuts and the loot to fix it was not in the budget so the club payed it to keep the course mowed. I find it hard to believe they couldn't use another mower. They certainly have more as the fields at Miller Park are not going to go unmowed but, whatever. I guess it keeps a good relationship and they are struggling to pass bond levies for financial support every year just like everyone else. At least the money went to a good cause that will be useful for all. Had to go somewhere. The sh*t was probably ready to turn to dust it was so moldy and old.
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