802.05 Holing Out

[spud]

I sent this to the PDGA Rules Committee today.

802.05 Holing Out
A. Basket Targets: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains and/or the inner cylinder (bottom and inside wall) of the tray. It may be additionally supported by the pole. A disc that enters the target below the top of the tray or above the bottom of the chain support is not holed out.
B. Object Targets: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must strike the marked target area on the object as specified by the Director.

Why do you care how a disc gets in the basket?
In the future, are you going to tell us "no skip aces"?

What must the disc golf community do to get this stupid rule removed from your "official" rules?

[spud]

Here was the PDGA reply:


> Why do you care how a disc gets in the basket?


The goal is to define a successful putt, and to align with what is generated recognized as a good putt. A putt that is too low and wedges itself in the side of the tray is not generally recognized as a well-executed putt. An analogy can be made with basketball, where throwing the ball up through the bottom of the hoop so that it comes back down through the basket does not count.


The fact that a disc can wedge in the side of the tray, or fall down through the top (both are rare, but they happen), is indicative of a manufacturing flaw in the basket, and not of a successful putt.

It seems to me that if this indicates a "manufacturing flaw", then it shouldn't have been PDGA certified. It seems obvious that this was a known problem or they wouldn't have changed the rules.


> In the future, are you going to tell us "no skip aces"?


No.

So skipping one off the ground is considered "well executed".


> What must the disc golf community do to get this stupid rule removed from your "official" rules?



For recreational play, you can use whatever rules you wish. You can count any putt that touches any part of the basket, or gets near it, if you want.
This is the first complaint I've heard on the matter, and the revision came out over a year ago.


-Conrad

[blatzattak]

Keep poking around spud. You better look out for the black suits at the next tourney.

[sidearmdon]

I do not believe that baskets are PDGA certified. Only the disc and the rules of play. And I agree that the men in black suits will be keeping an eye on the Spud.

[blatzattak]

I believe flat rocks got new baskets to be able to sanction tourneys so they must say something... But even so if you are in a sanctioned tourney then the baskets should be kosher and not let one slip in violation of this rule thus making the rule totally Pointless to the purpose of being printed. If I thought I needed a rule book to traverse the course in a sporting manner I wouldn't even play.

[spud]

www.pdga.com/rules/technical-standards

Discs and targets (baskets) must be approved.

The Lightning DB-5's were PDGA approved but they were falling apart.